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Facts Part 4: That Flag…

October 31, 2007 by Baron Bodissey | 910 Group | 16:37:54 | |

Earlier…

1. Facts Part 1: Intro: The Counterjihad Brussels 2007 Conference

2. Facts Part 2: Belgium: Filip Dewinter and Vlaams Belang (audio and print interviews) and country report, to provide specific background to the Flemish Independence movement and the history of the party, as well as its current policies and actions.

3. Facts Part 3: Belgium: 3 Cases in Orwellian Justice

Today:

4. Facts Part 4: Belgium: Evidence refuting allegations relating to “White Power” flags and “Vlaams Belang flags”

A well-read U.S. blog has stated the following about Vlaams Belang, showing the photo below:

“Exhibit 2: a White Power flag at a Vlaams Belang rally this month. The other flags are Vlaams Belang.”

European commenters at The Brussels Journal and Gates of Vienna researched this statement and found that the photo in fact comes from another group’s rally.

First, the comment in entirety from Brussels Journal (we delayed posting this because I could not replicate his information on the picture file metadata - clearly beyond my tech specs):

The picture might have been

According to metadata saved in the picture, it has been taken on July 10th 2006. More specifically, I think it was taken in Bruges and that it’s related to these guys:

http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/2007/07/vjw-huldigt-vlaamse-helden-op-10-juli.html

In this case, it would not be doctored like I thought first, but it’s fishy alright: it basically has nothing to do with the Vlaams Belang. It would be a bunch of self-proclaimed “solidarists” going to the official July 11 celebration of Bruges. In their own words, “to the dismay of many” :-)

Solidarism is a kind of socialism popular with some fringe groups on the right — sadly still also with some in the Vlaams Belang, but in a way similar to the economic thought of the average Christian-democrat. But these guys are something else: virulently anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Israel etcetera. So they’re not even really rightwing, at least not in any way Americans would understand the term.

Then, another European commenter at Gates of Vienna was able to validate this information and provide further analysis:

Cincinnatus said:

[...] one of their key “evidence” is that photo of a “white power” flag at a “Vlaams Belang rally”, the top picture of
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27674_About_Vlaams_Belang_and_Sweden_Democrats&only
Odd that they can’t identify it better. Well, I can. This rally is actually a VJW (Youth of West Flanders) rally in Brugge, a town of 120,000 in the West of Flanders. See the 5th picture of
http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html ,
on which you can see the same background (red umbrellas below a green awning) as in the LGF picture. Note at the top of the page the flag-in-a-circle — it is the same “white power” flag [...]

[...] VJW is a repulsive mix of nationalism, socialism, anti-Israel and anti-USA (lots of burning USA flags), but mostly, as far as I can see, it is a bunch of twenty-eens who haven’t outgrown the leftist education which was pumped into them in high school. Still, their pages have moments of high comedy, see (seriously, don’t miss this one) the excellent comic of Asterix halfway down the page of
http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html

An important point is that the VJW is no fan of the Vlaams Belang! See, for example, the 14 January 2007 entry on
http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html
which reads “Vlaams Belang wants to recruit new Flemings” and states that Vlaams Belang is recruiting among the Muslims!! This is much to VJW’s disapproval. Actually, I think the article is nutty (as VJW is nutty), but it is difficult for me to read. Maybe a Belgian can give the full sense, but the article concludes (sarcastically), “We wish the Vlaams Belang much success with their open door politics”.

Update: November 2, 2007

Also from Cincinnatus, commenting at Gates of Vienna:

Just to clarify, that festival at Brugge seen on
http://nieuw-solidarisme.blogspot.com/2007_07_01_archive.html
is not a VJW rally, but an annual holiday celebration at which a few (unwanted) VJW-ers appeared. The pictures focus on their flagholder. Their text reads:

“As in every year, to the annoyance of many, VJW participated in the Flemish holiday… of 11 July. Surely 25 VJW members were present. (My note: usage of this phrase indicates there were in fact less than 25). Was it a bad thing that VJW was seen with (Flemish) lion flags? The attending VJW-ers were quickly noticed by the police there. The scowls from the uniformed (police) side eventually settled down. Was our presence so unappreciated? By the police, certainly. You call that tolerance? There is none for our VJW flag. They forbade it. Other people were very glad to see us there. Well! Their intimidation didn’t work. As if we would abandon the memorial? They told us we could display just one flag. So, 25 VJW-ers, armed with just one little flag, participated in the laying of the wreath on the war memorial. Afterwards we returned to the town centre along with everyone else. But what we hadn’t anticipated was that the police accompanied us, in a march-stepping manner. What were they expecting, anyway? A revolution? We hope the police remember that VJW always stands for law and order. Free Flanders!”

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In summary:

The photo does not show a Vlaams Belang rally. Therefore, the association of Vlaams Belang with the white power flag is not factual.

Coming Up:
5. Facts Part 5: Sweden: Evidence on policy positions concerning Israel, antisemitism and Sweden Democrats Party, and why their support is increasing so rapidly

6. Facts Part 6: Sweden: Evidence refuting allegations concerning photos attributed to Sweden Democrats

7. Facts Part 7: Analysis of European situation


5 Comments »


October 31, 2007 @ 17:35:07

There’s also a slight difference in the Flemish flag. The one displayed here has a red tongue, while the one used by VB is all black on yellow, no red parts.


[ C ] Janis B.
November 1, 2007 @ 01:36:45

Having read this, I’m glad you folks are taking LGF challenge in strides. This is exactly what is needed: zero invective or bad feelings towards Charles Johnson and his loyal readership, zero “Americans don’t know/understand this or that”; maximum information that would present the other side of the story and permit the readers, including Americans, to make up their own minds.

This has caught my attention for some days already and it looked regrettable, because LGFers not only seemed to have made up their minds, but Mr. Johnson seemed to be utterly bent on presenting one story only - his own convictions and what he believes supports them. Making Dewinter’s interview available fixed that part, all the predictable reactions in comments notwithstanding. The attitude seems somewhat puzzling: on one hand quite a few commentators there expressed the idea that it is necessary and indeed possible to reinvent the politics; that it needs to be done among the political right in Europe (reinvent I understand to mean, at the very least, getting rid of racism and antisemitism), and on the other hand – unwillingness to entertain the thought that that could be precisely what VB (I have no idea or opinion about Swedish Democrats) is doing.

Personal feelings: LGF is making a weak case that Vlaams Belang has, in fact, not evolved since the beginning of nineties and thus far it is based on appearances, tenuous connections and implications only, and centers mostly on one person – Mr. Dewinter. The evidence presented for all the categorical assertions (especially those made in comments) is, in my opinion, paltry. I mean - Dewinter has gone on some radio show in USA frequented also by extremists, racists and the like? That alone or taken in conjunction with other such bits be evidence he is a racist? Uhmmm, ok… and did he say or advocated something extremist, racist while on that radio? Anything at all..?

What also is overlooked is that personal opinions of one of leader’s of VB towards his daughter’s hypothetical association with (what was it?) lesbian, African, I forgot the third, and about having lasting relationship with person coming from another culture, so long as they are not policy statements of WB and stay his own convictions only, are… something reasonable people may disagree about, IMO. My wife is Asian, I cannot agree with Mr. Dewinter, but… has it anything at all to do with policies of political party Vlaams Belang – as stated, advocated or practiced?

The motivation of Mr. Johnson is, however, understandable:- appearances do matter a lot when it comes to political propaganda and nobody wants to be bogged down having to prove VB policies are not racist, Nazi, etc. (having to justify association with VB) each time one wants to make a case against political Islam.

Keep up the good work and hopefully Mr. Johnson too will bring some of this information to his readers attention. It is doubtful it will change his own convictions or those of his loyal readers, but it would be right thing to do.


[ C ] Cimmerian
November 1, 2007 @ 02:20:17

Here’s a link to Indymedia Antwerp which has a piece on the CounterJihad conference. I don’t read Flemish so maybe someone here will give us a rough idea of what it says (no doubt deeply unflattering!)

http://antwerpen.indymedia.org/news/2007/10/13676.php


November 2, 2007 @ 12:29:45

[...] Wie die meisten Leser inzwischen wissen, war ich in etwas involviert, was sich leider zu einer höchst öffentlich ausgetragenen Streiterei - manche würden wahrscheinlich auch Hexenjagd sagen - mit Charles Johnson von dem großen amerikanischen Blog Little Green Footballs entwickelt hat. Es ging dabei um den angeblichen “Rassismus” der Schwedendemokraten und des Vlaams Belang. Vielen dieser Behauptungen ist bereits widersprochen worden, obwohl sich LGF weigert, das zu verlinken. Ich habe meine Absicht kundgetan, eine Kommentarpause bei LGF einzulegen, wo ich mehrere Jahre lang aktiv war, denn ist mehr als klar geworden, dass sowohl Charles als auch viele seiner Leser keinerlei Interesse an einer echten Debatte haben, geschweige denn an einer über die wirklichen Bedrohungen der Freiheit in Europa. [...]


December 7, 2007 @ 23:46:35

[...] Footballs about the supposed “racism” of the Sweden Democrats and the Vlaams Belang. Many of these claims have already been countered, though LGF refuses to link to this. I have announced my [...]


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